Brownguy wrote:in reality if you can throw 300 3 times and make a 11' putt you will 4 it!!!!!
Everybody says that but those have to be three really good 300' shots back to back to back.
To get 300' on your first shot if you follow the fairway you have to hit a 30 foot gap after 230+ feet or be stuck in a pine or be OB. A lefty can hyzer over the pines, but a righty has to risk 250 of semi-rough OB to avoid the little fairway gap. And depending on the wind you risk losing it in the woods. Or if you've got a 250' anny your can go over the pines to the left.
If you manage to get past that unscathed then you can throw another bomb...but it can't turn too much or the OB woods will snag it, and it can't fade much or you will be stuck in the trees guarding 13. If you manage to keep that shot in the fairway with good footing then you can thread one around the lone pine and between the last two trees 50 feet apart and get it in the circle.
I'm not saying it can't be done...it can...and if you have a 300' overhand shot then it really helps...but I believe for 95% of us a 4 is a birdie.
As it has been said here before in the end par doesn't matter...just how many strokes it takes you to finish the course...so there is not much use in worrying about it, but if you want to debate it then I ask like I did last year...who is regularly taking a 4 on this? Who is getting a 4 on this 50% of the time? Who has taken a 4 on this once this year?